Via Five Feet of Fury, I came across a story at Gawker that seems to show "Mancow" Muller's waterboarding was faked!
Here's the key email that was sent, one day before he was waterboarded,
From: [redacted]Date: Thu, May 21, 2009 at 1:38 PMTo: [redacted]Cc: [redacted]Subject: Re: URGENT
You are a ROCK STAR!!!
It is going to have to look "real" but of course would be simulated with Mancow acting like he is drowning. It will be a hoax but have to look real. Would be great if they could dress in fatigues and bring whatever is needed. We will supply the water
Of course, they're denying this is a hoax, but assuming Gawker has the real deal -- and I have no reason to think that they don't -- I doubt they'll stick to their story for long.
Now, here's a guy who's supposed to be a "right wing" shock jock (I've heard of the guy, but have never listened to his show nor even knew prior to his waterboarding that he was supposed to be "right wing"). So naturally, when he said waterboarding was "torture," liberals loved it. It made news all over the place. This guy was on Olbermann. He got tremendous publicity out of this -- and meanwhile, it was playing all of you. All you liberals got suckered. I love it!
Let me also just say this: not only is Mancow a worthless piece of human debris for doing this, all of the liberals who rushed out to shout, "Waterboarding is torture because Mancow says so" are almost as idiotic as the guy who hoaxed you.
Now, consider the facts as people knew them, even before he admitted this was a hoax:
1) Mancow volunteered to do this live on his radio show. How many people would genuinely volunteer to be tortured? Anybody out there want to have your toes broken with a hammer? Okay then, who wants to have bamboo shoots jammed under your fingernails? Anybody? All right, lets go halfway and use a technique the terrorists actually use against our guys -- who volunteers to have a power drill run through his leg? Nobody? But, but, but...people are falling all over themselves to get waterboarded, so they can talk to the press about it? Why aren't they willing to have these other forms of "torture" done to them? It's obvious. The reason people are willing to be waterboarded is that while it may be extremely unpleasant, it's not torture. They know it will be a short, miserable experience, then it will be over and they'll suffer no lasting effects or trauma from the experience.
2) 30 seconds after Mancow was waterboarding, he was talking live on the radio. How can that be if it's "torture?"
Let me just put it this way: waterboarding isn't torture. I'm not the least bit sorry, embarrassed, or troubled that it was used at Guantanamo Bay. In fact, I wouldn't have been troubled if it had been used on fifty times as many prisoners. They're terrorists who use real torture on our men. Stop crying into your pillow about how tough they have it. Last but not least, I hope the United States uses waterboarding again after Obama is out of office.
Update #1: Mancow has responded to the people saying his waterboarding was faked and to his credit, it's at Big Hollywood, not at the Daily Beast, where the pretend conservatives post.
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I am not a magician. Many news cameras were there!Obviously, it was on the radio and I wasn't in prison. I'm also not a radicalized Muslim terrorist. But it was not a hoax! I repeat: NOT A HOAX.
We kept telling management, the insurance companies, and the local Chicago cops we weren't really going to do it until we did. Otherwise, they weren't gonna let us do it!
...It would be insane to equate what I did with anything that happens in prison. I am simply a free man in a radio studio that always tries to get inside the big issues. This is an ugly issue with no easy answers. But I now see it's easier for some to dismiss me than to do any real soul searching on this very heady issue.
I learned about this post from an email I received from Linda Shafran, the publicist, who sent the "It will be a hoax" email.
Quite naturally, I had some questions. So, we had a brief email exchange, most of which I am going to excerpt here.
John Hawkins: So, just to be clear: Are you saying the email Gawker has up is fake?
Linda Shafran: There was nothing fake about the waterboarding.
John Hawkins: I am having a hard time reconciling the fact that you say that it was a real waterboarding (with the fact that) these lines were written the day before:
"It is going to have to look "real" but of course would be simulatedwith Mancow acting like he is drowning. It will be a hoax but have tolook real."
If it's a real waterboarding, can you give me an explanation that makes sense for those lines? Again, I am willing to be convinced, but it's hard to square the idea that this was real with that email.
Linda Shafran: Per Mancow's statement:We kept telling management, the insurance companies, and the local Chicago cops we weren't really going to do it - until we did. Otherwise, they weren't gonna let us do it!
John Hawkins: Linda
That would make sense -- except this was a private email, was it not? Was there someone from the management, insurance companies, or local police who was cc'd on the emails?
Again, I'm just trying to make sure I understand.
As of yet, I haven't gotten a response to the last email and if I get one that makes sense, I'll be certain to post it.
Here's the problem: there's still no explanation for what happened. It's understandable that they wouldn't want management, insurance companies, or local police to know about it prior to the event happening, for fear of their stopping it. But, why would they still be referring to it as fake during private email conversations?
It doesn't make any sense and although, just as I said in the email, I am keeping an open mind and willing to be persuaded otherwise, I don't think Mancow's post at Big Hollywood changes things one iota. For the moment, it still looks like Mancow faked the whole thing as a publicity stunt.
PS: Olbermann knew this whole thing was a fake when he put Mancow on the air. If MSNBC had any journalistic integrity, at a minimum, they would suspend Olbermann for a couple of weeks over this,
Astonishingly, MSNBC is standing by its flackery for Muller's hoax. An MSNBC spokeswoman acknowledged that Olbermann's producers had been made aware prior to airing the Muller interview that his publicist had described it as a hoax, saying, "We asked the publicist and were assured by her that she just used a poor choice of words." But when asked if MSNBC still believes that publicist, in light of the fact that Muller's waterboarder had no idea what he was doing, she declined to comment.
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